Razers other offerings like the Nostromo and Tartarus are older and have less features. I've seen the Logitech G13 but it is VERY expensive and membrane keys, and XFUNY's Gaming Keypad doesnt have a joystick (also blue switches). Review summary for Razer Orbweaver Chroma Elite RGB Mechanical Switches Gaming Keypad Adjustable Hand Thumb and Palm Rest, based on 527 user reviews: OVERALL - 8.1/10. but the stream apparently went dead half way through, so here are the highlights for those that misse. Joystick is a must, its kinda the main reason I consider options like this, otherwise I'd just stick to the keyboard) Streaming Overwatch the other night, had a good game. Preference to Mechanical switches (MX Browns, I believe's Razers Equivalent is Orange, unsure of the Khale (kale? Khail?) versions) Discover how your designs can be used for not just one specific product, but the entire line of peripherals or those with similar LED structures. On Razers Website it's $100 (cant get the stealth variation anywhere else it seems, which i prefer as a Cherry MX Brown user) Explore the various LED profiles within the Razer Chroma SDK and create a truly versatile lighting effects that will revolutionize the way gamers play. I'm wondering if there are any alternatives. I've considered getting gamepads like this that have the joystick for better control over things like character movement and driving (currently use a controller for that)